the1 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Yeah, so basically I've been tracking guitars recently...wanna hear them? http://drop.io/lotvczd/asset/progressive-wav?ref=yahoo http://drop.io/rrbkjkl/asset/intro-rock-wav?ref=yahoo The quality kinda got fucked up exporting it. Sounds so good in Ableton though... You probably have nothing better to do so please listen haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildman Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Decent. Very decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Nice riffs and well written stuff. Sound like total ass though. Being somewhat of a production snob, the only thing keeping me listening to the entire clip was the good song writing and good riffage. And next time, convert it to 320Kbps MP3. It's a fucking pain downloading wave files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Nice riffs and well written stuff.Sound like total ass though. Being somewhat of a production snob, the only thing keeping me listening to the entire clip was the good song writing and good riffage. And next time, convert it to 320Kbps MP3. It's a fucking pain downloading wave files. You can't with Ableton. Only export to WAV, which is a shame cos it sounds awesome quality in the Sequencer itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dude, Ableton Live 8.0 Suite edition is my DAW software of choice What I'm saying is, after you export the file to WAV format, you can use iTunes for WAV to MP3 conversion. Personally, I like to use this: http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ Comes with the "LAME" MP3 encoder which is fantastic (yes, despite it's name if's actually quite good lol) for WAV to MP3 conversion. Would be interested in hearing your guitars in a full mix. There is a SHIT LOAD of 6-7KHz fizz attacking my ears (6-7KHz is one of the frequency range of guitars where you walk that fine line between being overly piercing and too muffled if you don't get it right. Another note is that those frequencies tend to fight with cymbals in a full mix) and the rhythm guitars sound quite phasey too. The guitars sound really over gained as well, turn that gain down a fair bit. What did you use for tracking? Have a listen to this clip I recently did: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1663306/Decode%20Cover%201.wav (Laugh at the intro as much as you want, even I do, because that chord change is so sloppy lol). It's not really a finished mix, but it gives you an idea nonetheless of how elements of a mix need to slot together. I'm using something like 30-33 per cent gain on the guitars, seriously, and by themselves they sound really thin, which is really important, because the bass guitar needs to handle all of the low end, not the guitars. One of the big, notable differences between my guitar tone and yours is the 6-7KHz frequency content. A lot of the "brightness" you're hearing in my guitar tone is actually coming from 4 to 4.5KHz, and everything from there upwards is mainly just adding a perception of air and I basically cut off everything from 10 KHz upwards with low pass filtering. Listen to a whole bunch of awesome guitar tones, be it Riot!, AWKIF, BNE, Hybrid Theory (Linkin Park) and End of Heartache (KSE) and you'll find the guitars sound bright and present without being harsh and piercing. Once you learn how to get the brightness happening mainly from 4 to 4.5KHz, you're one step closer to achieving professional guitar tones. I'm still hardly a pro, but when I learnt that and understood what all the frequency ranges of guitar sound like, it really opened up a new door for me and improved my guitar tones dramatically. To add to that once I added in the bass, you can hear how that thickens the guitar tone up nicely. If there's one thing I hate about rock and metal, it's that the bass player is under valued. No bass player (in rock and metal) = thin, shitty sounding mix. Give Hybrid Theory and BNE ears especially, some close listens and you'll be seriously amazed at how well the bass guitar and guitars gel together in the mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve515 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Very Good Work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted February 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dude, Ableton Live 8.0 Suite edition is my DAW software of choice What I'm saying is, after you export the file to WAV format, you can use iTunes for WAV to MP3 conversion. Personally, I like to use this: http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ Comes with the "LAME" MP3 encoder which is fantastic (yes, despite it's name if's actually quite good lol) for WAV to MP3 conversion. Would be interested in hearing your guitars in a full mix. There is a SHIT LOAD of 6-7KHz fizz attacking my ears (6-7KHz is one of the frequency range of guitars where you walk that fine line between being overly piercing and too muffled if you don't get it right. Another note is that those frequencies tend to fight with cymbals in a full mix) and the rhythm guitars sound quite phasey too. The guitars sound really over gained as well, turn that gain down a fair bit. What did you use for tracking? Have a listen to this clip I recently did: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1663306/Decode%20Cover%201.wav (Laugh at the intro as much as you want, even I do, because that chord change is so sloppy lol). It's not really a finished mix, but it gives you an idea nonetheless of how elements of a mix need to slot together. I'm using something like 30-33 per cent gain on the guitars, seriously, and by themselves they sound really thin, which is really important, because the bass guitar needs to handle all of the low end, not the guitars. One of the big, notable differences between my guitar tone and yours is the 6-7KHz frequency content. A lot of the "brightness" you're hearing in my guitar tone is actually coming from 4 to 4.5KHz, and everything from there upwards is mainly just adding a perception of air and I basically cut off everything from 10 KHz upwards with low pass filtering. Listen to a whole bunch of awesome guitar tones, be it Riot!, AWKIF, BNE, Hybrid Theory (Linkin Park) and End of Heartache (KSE) and you'll find the guitars sound bright and present without being harsh and piercing. Once you learn how to get the brightness happening mainly from 4 to 4.5KHz, you're one step closer to achieving professional guitar tones. I'm still hardly a pro, but when I learnt that and understood what all the frequency ranges of guitar sound like, it really opened up a new door for me and improved my guitar tones dramatically. To add to that once I added in the bass, you can hear how that thickens the guitar tone up nicely. If there's one thing I hate about rock and metal, it's that the bass player is under valued. No bass player (in rock and metal) = thin, shitty sounding mix. Give Hybrid Theory and BNE ears especially, some close listens and you'll be seriously amazed at how well the bass guitar and guitars gel together in the mix Dude, I'm a technophobe. I plug in my SM57 into my Focusrite Interface and press record. Nothing else...how the fuck do you use the filters and shit? Bear in mind that I'm using Live LITE, so I can only use 8 audio tracks and 4 plugins/effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 LITE version, ahh fuck. http://www.reaper.fm/ No track limitations, no VST/effects limitations. What amp are you mic'ing up? One of your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 You really think I'm gonna invest in another program when I can just upgrade my own? My Vox. Does the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Demoed some vocals today http://drop.io/91fnsyb/asset/cheeryrockvocals-wav?ref=yahoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwik-silva Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I think you need a bass in there, but it's good. very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 haha you like it?? Thanks!! I'm still really not so confident about my vocal ability but thanks for listening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 To be honest,it sounds good. And is it just me or your voice sounds a bit hoarse? Anyway,it's not bad,it gives it like a "special feeling" or something,haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1 Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Not hoarse, no. I'm just adding heat to my voice to make it sound a bit rougher. If you listen in the 2nd verse you can hear when i don't...I also am blates imitating Gabe Saporta haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Okay,so I guess it was just me and my ideas,haha. And I'm afraid I don't know who Gabe Saporta is,haha. Oh well. As I said,it sounds good,anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anavi Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 James that is good man only don't you tink that guitar r too loud and your voice too low...maybe you should try to volume down guitar part i think it would sound better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I haven't heard the vocal clip, I'll get onto that later, but seriously, stop mic'ing up the Vox. If you're wondering how I got that sound on my Decode cover, that was all using software amp simulations of a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier, Mesa Boogie 4x12 cabinet simulation, and also blended with one of Line 6's own amp models they created, "Big Bottom" which is basically a Triple Rectifier and some other amp put into one amp model. The problem with mic'ing up a small combo amp like the one you have is that you're mic'ing up a small amp that is essentially trying to recreate the sound of a much better, more expensive amp with a 4x12 cabinet. That sound isn't going to happen with your Vox. If you can find some way to record DI (Direct Injection) tracks, do that instead. Currently I use a Line 6 POD X3 Live for doing that and it works very good for that. They can be found really cheap on the used market now, as they've been out since 2007 and shit loads of people own them. By using DI tracks, you then are able to use software amp simulations that will kick the shit out of mic'ing your Vox, and can get you closer to a professional guitar tone Edit : So I heard the vocal track version now. Well at any rate, your vocal abilities are much better than my own. Pitch is a little off at times during the more "singing" parts, but otherwise it's a fairly good performance and not much more I can add really. Guitars still sound really fizzy and fatiguing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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