thinking about this, it's apparent that this has only become a problem with age.
I'm leaning towards Josh's side (although if Hayley sucks, why did they date? If the situation sucked, why wait 3 albums? etc.) but, as has been said, they were KIDS when this all started. They probably didn't know any better.
Yeah, I think it's just said that what so many kids probably saw as the first "genuine" band they got into isn't really that way.
And for all of those saying "Yeah but they still played small shows etc.", this was planned. This could have been prevented if they'd just come out swinging as a major label act. But, at the end of the day, Hayley is a fucking cash cow that's gonna be milked dry- she's a business dream.
A cute, religious-but-not-overtly, young girl that manages to upstand all of America's moral values whilst wearing the right band tees to wear on a Warped stage and a face pretty enough to whore all over TV and magazines. Fuck, a label would be stupid NOT to take advantage of her.
Nonetheless, they are all talented individuals and I wish them all the best, but let's not get too heated about it.
It's just a band...