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All We Know is Falling for sure. Riot has aged pretty badly imo, and bne never really grabbed me. I'll add that the summer tick ep is a beast too.

Had to buy kerrang just for the poster, it's stunning. going to center it in my 'wall of rock'. No wall of posters is complete without Hayley. fact.

You're never going to get them to change their opinion, no matter how good the cover is they're always going to bitch about how bad it is.

*Thumbs Up* Also, Nobody has any idea what really what goes on behind the scenes, so any opinion is pretty much just based on bias and/or speculation.

Aye, agreed. A lot of people, probably mostly 13 year old fan girls are grossly oversimplifying the whole thing.

I typed up a big reply, but then realised that it sounded quite petty and it probably wont change your opinion. I will however, post what I started the reply with. I'm drawing my conclusion by reading what's written down. You're drawing your conclusion by reading what's not written down.

I think on several points, you've come to a self made conclusion that the Farros are taking pops or being abusive to Hayley, whereas nothing of the sort is happening. Several people in this topic have made the same mistake too. Also, take note that all that was said in the statement was Josh's opinion.

I'll quote the whole post and tell you on each quote why I think you're wrong. If you want, that is, because i don't want to waste a lot of time replying if you dont really care/want to know.

haha, hypocrisy thy name is craven moorehead. You claim it makes them sound childish and bitter, when in reality you have taken pretty much every single one of your listed examples completely out of context.

Ahhhhh I've finally found this. Very interesting to find out James was right, and BNE was actually Hayleys album.

Just pointing out, it was actually you who started with the comment about Ross having his head so far up Hayleys ass for simply disagreeing with you, so it's a little unfair that you're trying to take the moral high ground. And for my two cents, being unhappy that Hayley didn't convey emotion in the statement she wrote(if it was actually her) is totally fucking pedantic.

Aye, couldn't agree more.

this also

fuuuuuuck. It's not really a shock, but it is a shock, if you know what i mean. You could see that they had lost a lot of enthusiasm for what they were doing in their live performances, but on their last tour they really looked like they were enjoying it a lot more. It's been said, it's not been the same for a couple of years, but this still really sucks, it's like the end of an era.

Some weird Scottish dates there, what's wrong with Inverness or Aberdeen? Mehh, Dingwall's close to Inverness so it looks like I might have to give that a shot.