Starlight Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Honestlly i see you all have proper way to get the cd amd that is why i don't see the point of download for most of you ppl. On the other hand overhere i can't buy it in the record store or even order it via net 'couse they dont ship to my country so that is why i will have to downlad the album.... and i don't think i am being disrespectful to the band or anything else couse i want to hear their music...and those leaked version i don't support so i will wait till 29th and then download it. that is the best i can do in that situation. Spare money ? Paramore, Muse, etc don't need my 10$ to live. I have 990 songs on my itunes, if I had to buy them all, I'll have to spend 990$ ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 yeah but everyone thinks just one or a couple people dont matter.... which isnt true. think of the prob thousands of other people added onto that who also just download it without buying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I think some people forgot how Paramore became successful. It was because of people listening for free to their music on the internet, not buying their albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 im pretty sure when i first heard paramore i went out and bought AWKIF and im pretty sure to stay successful they'd need people to actually buy their albums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yes, but historically, Paramore became famous thanks to posting their music on the internet for people to listen to it for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anavi Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Spare money ? Paramore, Muse, etc don't need my 10$ to live. I have 990 songs on my itunes, if I had to buy them all, I'll have to spend 990$ ... i dont have problem on spending the money on things i really want and from that perspective wow 990$ is way too much Edit: and if you bought the album it would cost you less then 1$ per song and if there isnt a free internet downloads i would never heard about Paramore so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yes, but historically, Paramore became famous thanks to posting their music on the internet for people to listen to it for free. yes youre right they did post their music online for people to LISTEN for free not DOWNLOAD for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i dont have problem on spending the money on things i really want and from that perspective wow 990$ is way too much Me neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have over 400 CDs that each cost between $10 and $20, and you guys are worried about $990? And there are a good million other people in the world who say, "they don't need my $10"... that's $10 million that they're losing because everyone thinks they're the only one in the world downloading illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catie Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 ^ exactly thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlight Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have over 400 CDs that each cost between $10 and $20, and you guys are worried about $990? And there are a good million other people in the world who say, "they don't need my $10"... that's $10 million that they're losing because everyone thinks they're the only one in the world downloading illegally. Well, we're not all 23 and have a job, do we ? Of course I'm worried about a 1000 dollars, lol. 10 million they're losing for their album indeed. But the people who downloaded their music and got into them (like me) later went to shows or bought some of their stuff on the internet, there are other things than albums. I went to a Paramore concert worth 25$, and I bought for about 150$ of Paramore merch, that's 15 albums, and I'm going to go to all their next concerts near where I live. Downloading gives an easier access to listening to stuff people like, that means more people go to the band's shows, and they buy shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABsxo. Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 yeah i'll download the leak, but i'll still buy the CD when i can afford it (which i imagine will be a while off ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I thing I'm wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_hymn Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'll try my best to wait...I've downloaded a leak before buying a CD before and it did take out all the excitement cause I'd already heard the songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anavi Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have over 400 CDs that each cost between $10 and $20, and you guys are worried about $990? And there are a good million other people in the world who say, "they don't need my $10"... that's $10 million that they're losing because everyone thinks they're the only one in the world downloading illegally. it is not a problem of money it is problem of their cds r not available in my country in any way (not in stores, e- bay or other sites aren't delivering in my county). so that is my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have over 400 CDs that each cost between $10 and $20, and you guys are worried about $990? And there are a good million other people in the world who say, "they don't need my $10"... that's $10 million that they're losing because everyone thinks they're the only one in the world downloading illegally. And the fanclub generates how much money for the band? Also the band wouldn't get that $10million would they? Besides we all know CD sales mean shit these days in terms of band revenue. It's the live shows that bring in the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Also the band wouldn't get that $10million would they? Besides we all know CD sales mean shit these days in terms of band revenue. It's the live shows that bring in the money. They have a loan to a label they have to pay back, that's where sales go. Plus, I believe Paramore are on a 360 deal at Atlantic, losing out on a percentage of merchandise and ticket sales. Which is everyone's go-to reason for downloading instead of buying despite the fact more and more bands are on these types of deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain.obvious Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 They have a loan to a label they have to pay back, that's where sales go. Plus, I believe Paramore are on a 360 deal at Atlantic, losing out on a percentage of merchandise and ticket sales. Which is everyone's go-to reason for downloading instead of buying despite the fact more and more bands are on these types of deals. Fuck that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Well, we're not all 23 and have a job, do we ? Of course I'm worried about a 1000 dollars, lol. 10 million they're losing for their album indeed. But the people who downloaded their music and got into them (like me) later went to shows or bought some of their stuff on the internet, there are other things than albums. I went to a Paramore concert worth 25$, and I bought for about 150$ of Paramore merch, that's 15 albums, and I'm going to go to all their next concerts near where I live. Downloading gives an easier access to listening to stuff people like, that means more people go to the band's shows, and they buy shirts. I'm a college student with a part time job. I had at least 300 of those CDs before I turned 18, so don't even say that being a teenager makes it harder to save money for music. If anything, it's easier because you don't pay bills and rent yet. Like Ross said, Paramore has a 360 deal... the label gets a cut from everything they do, including ticket sales and merch. You're not giving them nearly as much money as you think you are. A lot of that goes towards paying back recording and touring costs. And you may be buying merch at other shows, but when the music industry completely craps out because no one's buying music anymore, who's going to support these bands so that they can go on tour and sell that merch? Touring's expensive, and without a label, it's hard to do for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 As far as I know, downloading hasn't been made illegal over here, so there goes the potential moral dilemmas. \o/ And what comes to "pay per copy"... if I borrow a record from the library, I'm allowed to rip it for myself AND burn copies of it for "a small circle of acquaintances". Straight out of the Finnish law. The libraries are paying royalties for every borrowed record, but not for every burned copy of it. It's a sketchy law, but I'm down with that. Besides, what difference will it make if I a) rip the CD to my computer or download the digital copy without paying, if I buy the CD anyway? Both scenarios end up with the label/band receiving the same amount of money from me. Isn't it a bit too much if I should pay for it 3 times just to have it on my iPod, on my computer and in my car? Of course I'm not expecting the store to give me additional copies for free since money went into making those, but surely I can make copies of it for my own use, on my own expense? I'll most probably buy BNE as a physical release as soon as it's available in record stores here, but I won't think twice about downloading it when it leaks. I don't know what kind of audiophiles you guys are, but I'll be happy with 192 kbps and upwards for the time it takes me to get the actual CD. I use my active monitors for music, but I'd be lying if I said I can hear the difference between V2 and V0. Yeah same, I cannot hear a squat of difference between 192kbps and CD, and I'm listening through active monitors, plus I'm studying audio engineering/production, so it's not like I don't have an ear for subtle details, the truth really is any difference there might be isn't detectable to my ears. Only below 192kbps do I start to hear a difference. Pretty much why I never bothered with loseless audio formats, because it's a waste of hard disk space IMO. Same as recording at 96KHz versus 44.1KHz, no fucking difference. Interestingly, David Bendeth tracked Riot! at 96KHz (and in fact normally tracks at 96KHz, in Steinberg Nuendo IIRC), but honestly it doesn't add anything to the sound and it would have sounded the same tracked at 44.1KHz. Again, as with loseless audio format, tracking at 88.2/96KHz is a massive waste of hard disk space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I've decided to restrain myself and not download the leak, since after all I paid for a pre order copy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalsaC Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 And you may be buying merch at other shows, but when the music industry completely craps out because no one's buying music anymore, who's going to support these bands so that they can go on tour and sell that merch? Touring's expensive, and without a label, it's hard to do for a living. That's true, and also what seems to be forgotten sometimes. Yes, labels take a lion's share of the revenue, but they are the ones spending it the most as well. Who pays for the studio time? Who pays for the tour? THE LABEL NEEDS THE MONEY JUST AS MUCH AS THE BAND. They aren't just imperialist/colonialist/socialist/capitalist dogs ripping (communist) as much money out of the bands' spine as they can. Labels exist because there is a need for them. I don't think Paramore would've ever come to Finland if they had had to pay the tour from their allowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneFarro Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 i will download the leak cos i can't wait any longer but i'll still be there when it's out in the shops to buy the cd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourenotsam Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Yes. And I will feel better about myself for it. I already paid for the [deluxe edition] album. Why shouldn't I get to listen to it a little earlier than the official release date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildman Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 I promised myself that if it was leaked that'd listen to each song once before I buy the album, and note that I said listen, not download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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