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Health Care reform Bill... you opinions?


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...dude... are you seriously saying you don't want healthcare ? Like, seriously.

don't go crying to obama when you get hit by a bus.

 

Im not against healthcare. Im against hard working Americans paying more taxes to pay for everyones healthcare.

which will enevitably cause more problems such as longer waiting lines, less qualified doctors, and it could take months to get life saving operations

 

I don't know a whole lot about the matter either, but I agree with Andrew. I don't get why so many Americans are against it.

 

 

Because in american we believe in capitalism (or so we did until obama) and we dont believe in socializing everything. then what is peoples motivation to get better jobs or make something more of there life if the goverment is supporting them?

 

and this bill is taking away our rights. we HAVE to buy healthcare or else we get fines. some people just dont care and dont want to buy it, and you know what that should be there choice. not the goverment.

 

sorry america isnt a socialist like the rest of europe. ohmy.

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universal health care doesn't make you socialist, that's a bullshit argument tbh

oh really?

the goverment taking from the rich (or anyone who makes a decent living) and giving it to the poor and attempting to make every economically equal isnt socialist?

well it certainly is the exact oppsite of capitalism.

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there's a lot more to being 'socialist' than just providing universal health care

china is a communist country, but they have universal health care

canada isn't socialist, we have universal health care

from what i know europe isn't that socialist, they have it too

are you telling me literally every other industrialised country besides the united states is socialist just because they provide health care?

because that's bull too

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Most european countries pay more taxes than americans to make everybody equal economically, America doesnt do that. And i do not believe in paying high taxes in order to make everyone equal, or support everyone. cause there are plenty of oppertunities to get healthcare and make a decent living for you self with out the goverments help. and if you get layed off for a bit then tough cause thats life, then people would be motivateed to get a job again.

 

and btw, since you brought up canada i would like to inform you that because of canadians socialized healthcare many canadians have to come down the US to get life saving surgeries because your lines for these are too long and people can die before they ever happen thanks to socialized health care.

and i did a project on this for school and by 2020 providing healthcare for all of the citizens in canada will cost 50% of total government revenue. seriously. 50% soley to healthcare, there are ton of other things a goverment needs to spend money on and that 50% will drain out American if we get socialized healthcare. then taxes are going to be ridiculous to compensate.

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everybody pays taxes regardless so i don't see how that is a problem

and lack of employment doesn't mean lack of motivation, that's a pretty ignorant comment to make

 

also, all that stuff about canadian health care is pretty much bullshit too

our wait times are really not that much longer and studies have shown that in some cases waiting for surgery is actually safer than rushing into surgery

americans like to joke that we die waiting in line but that's not true

in most cases when people go to america for treatment it's because of better technology, not our health care system

the large majority of canadians support our system and we're rated as being healthier than americans so don't try and it make it sound like a problem when it's not

and also, the american government spends more money on health care than we do so i don't really see how that argument is relevant

if our government wants to put money towards health care instead of pointless wars let us

the american government puts more money into their military than all other countries combined

that my friend is pathetic and could be going somewhere much more productive

like, oh i don't know, making sure your own citizens are healthy

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americans like to joke that we die waiting in line but that's not true

 

slightly off topic-

 

If someone from Britain says that's not true about Britain, they're lying. People have died waiting in line from the NHS.

 

I'm still irritated about their system.

 

in b4 someone like Matt gets all defensive...I'm not having it. :P

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yeah but think of how many americans probably die waiting because they don't have as much money as someone else

they're sorted by ability to pay and not basis of need which is ridiculous to me

 

I know that, someone I know who is very close to me is in that situation...So I never said I wasn't against free healthcare (for anyone who likes to assume so because they just want to argue), just that the British system needs some improvement. And I won't comment about a system I haven't experienced like Canada's, only the UK and the USA (although Canada's is most likely better than both.)

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