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ohhhhh this is getting spicy!! hehe, i guess ill stick around for just a bit more then. yes. it is unfair. nothing will be done about it. we just have to hope they are true with their apology and wont continue to do this BS little kid drama shit no more. if not than oh well right. if thats the type of person you are going to be, than good luck with your life right. i can't really stress it enough that we will all have out eyes open now and you best be careful with what you say. it sucks it comes to that, but it really does ya know. if you have a problem with one of us, face us directly. you are accomplishing nothing by saying shit in a forum that we have no access too. we will continue to act the same and you will continue to get pissed off and write shit about us. as for anonymous dooooood. i agree with you alot my friend. but sometimes you just have to take what ppl say and trust it until they break the trust again... i give that second chance, but once that one is broken its all done. as it should be with mostly everyone on here. second chances are rare, so the staff members that were involved best be thankful and true. which i believe they are. that is all.

well said glorya, but like i said before... some ppl arent going to be forgiving... and you and company are just going to have to deal with that. there isnt a damn thing you can do now, but be honest and sincere and if it dont work for everyone, get past it ya know... be thankful that most of us are being very good about this. cuz to us its a very big deal. especially since it was collected over time and not just thrown at us one day... as for the anonymous person... that shows a lot of courage stepping up and being one of few to stick to what you initially thought no matter what ya know... but just to get this out there... sometimes it takes research and evidence to find something to really change someone or something. yea, they prolly wouldnt have said anything if nobody would have known... o well right. we did find out and when we went to them with it, they reacted in a way that i am very proud of... most ppl that talk like that or act that way would have simply ran away with their tail between their legs and not said a word. and the fact that they didnt act out in anger, rather they let it sink in... thought about it and then prepared what they needed to say... amazing if you ask me... that is a blessing. i accept their apology, but it is no surprise to me that some ppl don't. i know many ppl like that... they just don't trust a person again after they lose their trust once. that is totally fine. but ive always been taught to give second chances, cuz anyone can fuck up once ya know... anyways thats really all i got on this issue for now. ill check back in later and see what the word is...

i can be very intelligent when i put my mind to it. i always have a plan and a way to go about things. and even tho it caused you grief, it was a much better approach than calling you guys out directly. that would have been anarchy and i know this. = ) im glad you can appreciate my talents hehe.

well, if you would have called i can honestly say i would have been calm and very easy to talk to... and it wouldve prolly been good. you prolly wouldve slept better ya know... but i mean, you did it the way you felt was right and i admire that. as for kerrie's post, i am still so damned confused as to why or how ppl are being shitty to her??? it completely blows my mind. who knows tho, i mean maybe when i talk to kerrie she acts like a completely different person idk i guess...

truly glorya. taking time to reflect on what you said. i know you mean every word of what you say. i just take bigtime offense when it comes to certain ppl on these boards being talked about badly (kerrie, ren, suzie, kristina, diego, rachna, and many others). to be quite honest i could care less if ppl talk shit about me. i think you should say it to my face tho but im 20, and i can deal with this shit ya know. but as for the ppl i talk to alot on a regular basis... i become protective of them... and thats why i get pissed. but reading what you wrote and really being eager and admirable in your other responses has really shown alot of character. i hope it is true and you have learned something great from all this dear. i dont think you should be saddened by losing ppl's respect. as long as you go about this the right way, and continue to be true to us and yourself you will find great success in whatever you do. not just here on PF ya know. i admire what you said glorya. and i respect you for what you said. it takes alot to apologize to a shit load of ppl and admit you were wrong for what you did. alot alot.

i do agree... i mean i talk to kerrie more than mostly everyone on here and ive never once had anything against her. she's a very talkative girl. what the hell is wrong with that??? i think the main reason i got so mad about this all was because of what i read about kerrie. i could care less what ppl say about me... shit i probably deserve it... but kerrie... not at all. she knows damn well i will always stick up for her tho. and that is the main reason i made this post. was because of what was said about kerrie. in fact id say it was about 80-90% of the reason... she in no way deserves anything said about her. ever. no one does really. but especially her. just my thoughts is all... i may forgive you all, but if kerrie doesn't i wouldn't blame her at all. i guess i feel especially bad, mainly because she never talked shit about anyone and never thought anyone had anything against other than the fact that she was extra talkative which i always assured her was ok, and still is. and for her to find all this out was a serious blow you guys. i don't think you'll ever truly know what that feels like. anyways i should stop. i feel like i may cause trouble again if i keep talking. i still stick to my apologies and words 100% to everyone, but i also know where my place is with the ppl that have been affected by this string of events... and i know you can respect that.

first off let me thank you for making a thread. i appreciate it, and i figured you would come around shortly after brent. as i told brent it was my intention to basically keep this very indirect and get ppl thinking about the entire situation. i felt it would be disrespectful and rude to call you few individuals out directly... i also knew that diego planned on making the post which he made this morning and that also caused me to keep it under tight ropes. as for why i quoted this comment, i am a bit confused as to why you were angry about my initial post... is it because you were just confused and pissed that i didnt just come out and say who was to blame for all this unrest?? or is it just because you knew it was about you and the initial reaction was hostility toward me and whoever else was involved?? it confuses me a bit, but i believe you are sincere with your first words and you truly believe you did something wrong. you are a very opinionated person glo, much like myself only you actually put it out there much more often than most. i dont disrespect you for doing that, but sometimes you have to know when to act like an adult, which you are 4 hours away from (18!!!! lol) btw, and shut up. i hate to be blatant but that be the truth young one. i know you know this, but sometimes its hard when you are caught up in the moment with all the drama... and all you want to do is say something to make yourself look good. so just to fill you in... this doesnt make you look good. no matter what you think... i accept your apology and im sure everyone else will as well... in their own way of course... i just want you and the rest to learn from this and become a better person in the process... i have great faith that this will change us all for the better and if not, than what the hell right... anyways, thank you glorya for doing this. it means alot no matter how hostile i may sound. its still all fresh in my head and its tough to just get past when you make a big apology post ya know. but big thanks to you.

kind words you two. well said.

on humility... "With courage you will dare to take risks, have the strength to be compassionate, and the wisdom to be humble. Courage is the foundation of integrity." - Keshavan Nair

i believe brent was sincere. no once directly accused him, and he still made the apology. which takes alot of courage in my opinion. i also think it takes alot of courage to do what me and diego did and that is confront the situation head on and create change. if change cant be created than it shows the true nature of the ppl on these boards. brent has showed his age, by stepping up and admitting his mistake. that makes me very happy to see. i mean it doesnt, the fact that it happened at all, but the fact that he is able to do this instead of running away and hiding is very courageous. to be hit with something like this is not easy. not that i would know, but i can imagine. i want to apologize to the members of the boards to whom this has no effect on... truly to have you guys read this cluelessly and then react in a way that may be less than appropriate is very sad for me. i really didnt want everyone to see all of this. but i guess its the only way it could be done well. i truly apologize to each of you, because you have nothing to do with this and you were brought into it. but we are a family in a way here, so i guess thats what families do sometimes. as for the ppl that this does involve, i hope we can try and move past this. forgive, but dont forget. it will really show these few that we are good people and can do things if we put our minds to it. and in that sense, what negative things could they say about us in the future?? if they still find things, than that is their own issue they need to work out on their own time. nothing we can do about it... thanks diego. for posting this. i think itll open alot of ppl's eyes and maybe also brent and co. can learn from it and swallow down their negative shit next time they think about it. i believe this could help the site. no matter what ash thinks. something good was done here. that is my opinion.

very much appreciated brent. that was my purpose here. if nobody else can accept that, than at the very least, i can... i admire you standing up and taking charge. i just wish some others could as well. but we don't live in a perfect world now do we... words can go a long way and i hope you realize that now. like i said before though. dont think this was all diego's doing or something because we would have found out these things without him. somehow, there is always a way (lazytown lol glorya). i also am willing to talk to you anytime you want on aim or whatever. and i also hope you can respect my decision to keep this private on the boards and not mention names... which i will continue to do until someone decides to change that and bring names out in the open. i can honestly now say that "yes" brent, you were one of those people i was referring to. i never thought i would have to say something like that to someone 10 yrs older than me, but i guess boundaries were crossed in my honest opinion and i needed to say something in effect to what i was thinking. i hope you can appreciate that and hopefully learn from it. like i said again, nobody is perfect, but that is sort of ridiculous. you're 30 ya know. i couldnt imagine my father who is 40 doing something like that on a message board filled with teenagers... honestly ya know. it just seems dumb ya know. i know you have a lot of pressure on yourself being the real true adult here, but i think sometimes keeping your mouth shut or possibly even directing it to the ppl you want to put down themselves would be a better route. thats the way i would do it. if i had a problem with something someone said i wouldnt go to a bunch of other ppl and be like "omg what a freak!!" lol, that just calls for trouble usually. all in all brent i admire what you wrote, but i still have that little thing in the back of my mind now ya know. i think it will probably stick with me and the rest of the ppl for some time to come. which is very unfortunate, but at least you acted on my words. which was my goal. im just glad someone stepped up and did something positive here. truly. and also, when i was referring to "adults" in my original post, i wanted to be very clear that i think all of us should act like adults with our words on these boards. that wasnt directed toward brent no matter what any of you people think. anyways, im glad something was said. and it took some guts to say something without even being directly blamed. that was my plan and im glad it worked out for me. i cant promise you brent and others that others will accept this apology, but i know i at the very least can. i know words can be thrown around casually sometimes. i have lived 20 yrs now so i know most ppl can do that and not think of the consequences right off. but now that you know, perhaps you will speak your words a bit more carefully next time. and if not, than continue to be a hypocrite. i still stay true to my original post. i wouldnt have said it on direct impulse. it was something that accumulated over time and i wanted to really get it out there. thanks alot brent. i appreciate your words.

the only IM's i received last night were just from a few ppl asking what was going on. i felt no need to directly IM anyone last night. however if you want something cleared with my knowledge i am willing to say what i need to say to you. i have a pretty long busy day ahead of me so i may or may not be online, but im very sure you can find a way to contact me. last night ash im'd me just to sort of hear something and i told her a little of how i was feeling. last night i wasnt really in the mood to spread the joy and happiness and therefore needed to just put the knowledge out there without being direct. i hope you can understand my strategy. in good time it will all be out in the open and then i truly hope we can talk about everything and apologies will be said and forgiveness will be granted. im a very forgiving person, and even tho the post last night may not seem like i am so, i am. if you are humble, admit to your mistakes and grieve on them you are back to square one in my book. however like i said, because of this i will always have that little thought in the back of my mind. i dont do shit like this. you dont have to believe that if you dont want to, but its the truth and im sticking to it. although i may be angry, i dont make any harsh judgments about these people. i simply say im disappointed. cuz thats what i am. its ridiculous and im sticking to that. honestly, i hope this can just be dropped. i love posting here and making friends, which i have made a large handful already and for that i am thankful to have this place. i feel as though that may be in jeapordy now since ppl have seen this side of me... but i felt it necessary. but im a man true to my word... just last night i felt like being subtle with my analysis. i didnt really feel like having everyone know quite yet... and ill probably take the rest of the day to see what happens on the boards and then perhaps tonight i will chat with whoever wants to talk about this situation. if your worried it may be about you, IM and i will have quite a bit of respect for you just for doing so. like i said, i dont think this should be something ppl get all flustered and pissed about. its just a few ppl's opinions clashing with a few other ppl's morals. let's find a way to work it out. thats really what i want to do anyway ya know. cuz i love this place. even with all the BS. i just hit a crossroads is all, and had to throw my words out there. i hope that clears something. not directly, but just about me and my purpose ya know... oh, and lastly... is it me or is brent the only one who feels as though it may be about him??? thats interesting to me. because even though he may be one involved i feel as though some of the others should really be questioning themselves as well. just me though... = )

yea that shit pisses me off lmao.

i think it should just be known that we are here to support the band and post band news. sometimes random shit gets thrown in but thats just for fun ya know. to have all this excess Bullshit is completely ridiculous. and that is the main reason why i made this post. disrespect can sure go a long way when put in the wrong persons arms. i think ppl here should just re-assess the reasoning behind us being here. nobody is perfect, but honestly think before you speak. even i do that. and i say some shit let me tell you.

pressure. along with most ppl. saw the video and OMG!!! for more reasons than just the obvious. amazing. and it birthed something even more amazing

damn. i just watched all 3 videos of theirs. sucha change wow. god i love the pressure video so much hahaha. it was the birth of my love for the band. i just cant help but love it. and hayley looks so young = )

this video is amazing. simply put. nothing else to say really. great way to end my night.

well, im glad we have cleared up the fact that you are a psychic and can read my mind. now that that is out of the way. take a chill pill you guys. i didnt say any names. and to be quite honest i think all of y'all are taking it wrong. but whatever i guess. my bad for stirring shit up in a pot. lol.

hahahaha. so im aggressive then?? interesting thought. "In high school I was voted, 'Even happy when it rains.'" Graciously I accepted that award. Little did they know that sudden triggers to my brain can cause a serious, yet contained blast of firepower. LMAO since when do we need to be calm while posting. ive seen much vulgar in my day... so chill little miss staff member.

more balls than most ppl on these boards, thats for sure. only difference is with me is id be willing to say this to their faces. however, youd be surprised at what i know. and im already laughing ash. im just one of those type of ppl i guess. = )

ash... this in no way should depress you. like i said before, nothing you did was wrong and nothing you did caused any of this. you may not believe me, but i think once it gets around more and more ppl on these boards (some more respectable than me) will be able to reassure you of just what i said... and thanks for the yoda referral. being a "smart" kid has its advantages sometimes = ) and to be quite honest, im still shocked i wrote all that. inspiration sure does go a long way you guys. so dont fuck around!!! lmao

it will finds its way around... this i am sure of jack... if not from me, than from one of very many to come. a series of unfortunate events have taken place and this place will not hear the end of it. this i am sure of.

So, upon research and recent understanding I have come to some serious conclusions about some of the individuals on PF. Is it just me or had respect always been the number one issue on these boards. and when it was in question the staff would barge in and clear the situation and either lock the thread or kill it altogether. which i never once complained or said a word about it cuz it seemed like the right thing to do. i am very respectful and understanding of alot of things that go down in real-life and e-life if you will. so i understand that these things need to be resolved by someone. However, im taking this way in the wrong direction. But im doing it on purpose to sort some shit out. In case some of you havent heard, our own Diego was kicked off the boards. All in all, it was an unpopular decision for most of the ppl on the boards as it should be... he does so much for us here and we should always appreciate it. however, in no way should ash be blamed for doing this. yes it was her decision and yes it was something that couldve been solved in a different way, however diego did break the policy or leaked videos. therefore he should lose rank. i know it may sound dumb to most, even me... but it happened... so drop it. But, this is not the purpose of this tangent im on... not at all actually. Now, i know that this board consists of mostly kids (under the age of 18,) but ppl are not taking into account what they are saying. If you honestly think about it for a second, we are talking online, not directly to each person face to face... call me old fashioned but if you are going to talk shit about a person at least tell them directly... especially if you are an adult and know that you are acting 12!!! do you know how much respect you are losing by acting this way?? or did you just not think we would find out somehow. sources are key in this world we live in today. and the true side of ppl tends to come out very often when you have ppl on your side. honestly, for a second think about what ppl close to you would think... lol, its a funny thought isnt it... im an adult and im talking shit about a 15 yr old, and someone close to me in my personal life finds out... wouldnt that be interesting... how would they respond??? "oh, i see your involving yourself in little kids drama again on the internet..." ITS NOT EVEN REAL!!! this is what makes me laugh the most. and make me sorta sick all at the same time. maybe just from laughing so hard... who knows really?? however, you are "king and queen - shit" in your own minds... so keep thinking that and see where it takes you in life... i really doubt it turns out the way you hope... really, it honestly surprises me to know that ppl like you guys can make friends and keep them... well, actually... maybe not... i mean the other backstabbing, ego-tistical, and frooty people need friends too i guess. so congrats. at least you will have that in common. continue to be a disgrace to the ppl around you... itll get you far in life. i promise. not that id know, but its going well for you guys so why not... you say, we are here to promote and talk about the band and make this a true family environment where friends are made and what not... so what the fuck are you doing then??? do you own the site??? no, you dont. i have just as much of a right to say shit as you do so get off me. seriously, the ppl that this is to are very lucky there is a laptop and perhaps a computer in between us. it wouldnt be pretty and thats a fact... so keep hiding behind your screen. you'll continue to be safe if you do that... in no way is this a threat, but if you take it as one, your retarded just the same. dont feel threatened by me... i live in maine... what the hell can i do?? you just really sicken me with what you say behind ppl's backs. that is all. i will not say who this is to. i will not say why or how i am producing all this. i refuse too. im too good of a person to announce that sort of information to the ppl on these boards. i only wish that you could learn from something like this and maybe act like an adult at some point in time during your pathetic existence in this world. it pisses me off that i am even writing this. im not that type of a person, but when i see wrong i will not let it slide forever. this is wrong. its retarded and someday maybe you ppl will realize that you're a 12 yr old trapped in an adults body. one day perhaps. unless you truly are mentally challenged. even they have one up on you tho. the fact that they have compassion and gratitude for what they have. as for reactions... as for what will come of this after it is written... who knows. nothing would really surprise me tho... im doing it simply on impulse and the fact that i will not sit and watch this happen behind the ppl of the boards backs. cuz that is what is happening. ppl are behind talked about behind their backs and most of you dont even know it. i know i didnt. but research and chit chat can do alot. especially when you know how to use a computer. that always helps. nothing is safe on here you guys. things get found out. so like i said if you wanna talk it, talk it to the ppl your talking about. at least you can put it out there and make them feel like shit. i mean thats what you want to do anyways right?? ok then... so tell us to our face... lets see how much of an adult y'all can actually be. when everyone leaves and other fansites pop up i dare you to try and compete with that shit. seriously, keep driving ppl away... its in your nature and its just gonna make you better ppl. i swear lmao. i truly feel bad for ash in this situation. she sorta got caught up in the whole shit end of everything and made a decision on impulse... alot like me writing this. in no way should anyone blame you for any of this. you created this site and have done a great job making it what it is today... but this isnt about that at all. like i said before, this is much more than anything like that... yes music is important, but respect and ppl's real lives are so much more than that. keep that in mind when you talk all your fake shit everyday, all day... nobody cares. except maybe all your internet middle school friends who find it interesting and funny. one day you will grow up and realize you suck. i hope it happens soon, before you have wasted too much of your life. for some of you it may already be too late. bye for now.

nice shit jack attack. loved the review and pics with the band haha. good shit for real.

yo brent man. i dont think your going to be able to get to everyone and even if you do, ppl are gonna have their opinions now because of this. i think we are all just going to have to accept that man. on that note, i see while i was asleep 4 more pages accumulated in this thread. whatever i guess. pisses me off just the same. it should seriously be dropped. no one should be put to blame. it should just be dropped. and if you cant just drop the fucking thing, than at least learn how to argue. get your facts sorted out before making harsh judgments. however, if you are one of those ppl just showing concern, or grief that is totally fine... im just sick of rude comments towards the staff and/or paramore. they dont deserve it you guys... really. like i said before, im very close to diego and will continue to talk to him on a daily basis when i get the chance, but this should honestly be put to rest... show your gratitude/support/sympathy/etc. but lets try and be adults thru this matter. ppl are leaving... lets get over it ok.