Jozen Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 ^ Nah none of us are pissed at you. We're just saying the bible thing won't work for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 i know but im not here for fights or this kind of discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsgettingcloser Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 i know but im not here for fights or this kind of discussion Its perfectly fine for people to have opinions and defend them no matter the issue. But then again, thats just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 maybe it is but its not worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I knew of three people who committed suicide. None of them were close to me though thankfully (that kind of sounds bad, eh?) Two girls committed suicide when I was in school. They were younger than me. One of them hanged them self, then about a week later her best friend did too... to be closer to her in the "after life". The other person was a friend of one of my online friends. It apparently came out of nowhere, everyone was shocked. But the guy botched hanging himself... survived the attempt at hanging himself, but was brain dead and later died It's sad thinking about stuff like this. But yeah I think that there should be more emphasis put on suicide in schools when people are in their teens. I just remembered a quote from "Dog The Bounty Hunter". Where they'd just caught this guy and Tim was talking to him in the car. He asked him if he wanted anything (they usually offer the people food, drink, cigarettes before putting them in jail). The guy said that he'd "take a rope". Tim replied by saying that "a rope is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" which I thought was really true. No matter how bad things may be in your life, you should never think about taking your own life. For the people who do drugs and screw up their life to the point of suicide I have no remorse for, I also have no remorse for people with young children that commit suicide. However for the people who are abused as children and grew up in an environment that has left them severely depressed and hopeless, well thats a slightly different situation. Depression is not just a mental disorder but a disease and so it needs to be taken care of as quickly as possible before it becomes fatal just like any other disease. That reminds me, there's this guy I know through work that was treated horrendously badly when he was a kid. Physical and Mental abuse from his father. God knows how he's hung in there I don't know (no pun intended). But he is a total mess most of the time, he's in and out of Hospital but I respect the hell out of him for actually "sticking at it" and not giving up. He could have so easily took his own life but hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 im trying to shut up about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arya Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 ^ You don't need to shut up. I don't see what you did wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Everyone's entitled to an opinion. And this is one of the few times I've seen like a proper discussion/debate on PF... we need more stuff like this I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arya Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Yeah, I quite like nice discussions. We should have some more, and hopefully no fights will break out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 yay for discussions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 o and by the way ofcourse its better to not do it even i have to agree on that for me its more in the respect other people part... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrrr x matey Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 yeah, like i said, i've been there, and your not offending me. so i doubt your offending anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgi Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 make kids more aware of suicide ? Oh, fantastic ! here kids, before you have a chance to figure out your depression/insecurities, i have found a solution- KILL YOURSEELLFFF !!!!!111ONE ...no. Suicide is too delicate just to be thrown in people's faces. opinion> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 it would help if people would know moe about it ... i guess people would talk stupid crap about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arya Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 We are not trying to throw suicide in people's faces, just get more people to learn more about it to help prevent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrrr x matey Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 make kids more aware of ?Oh, fantastic ! here kids, before you have a chance to figure out your depression/insecurities, i have found a solution- KILL YOURSEELLFFF !!!!!111ONE ...no. Suicide is too delicate just to be thrown in people's faces. opinion> okay, now thats offending. its not a joking matter, and this thread isn't to throw it in people's faces its to make people more aware to try to prevent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chriz Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 thats what you get when you open a thread like this and im sure she didnt mean it in a bad way ( i hope) and yeah its a greatthing to tell people about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgi Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I didn't mean it in an offensive way- well, not a directly offensive way to anyone here. I have my personal views/opinions on this subject from a number of experiences and i'm not going to apologise for them- this sort of "raise awareness" thing can (not saying it will) have the exact opposite reaction to what you intend it to. I'm not completely against this, by any means. Just be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrrr x matey Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 yeah, well i just think that this sort of thing is good. thats just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgi Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Aye, and each to their own opinion ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arya Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Jorgi, how would it get an opposite reaction then intended? I think I know, but I want your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgi Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I'm going to bring in self-harming as an example- and i know it's not the same thing, but an example is needed- so many people i know have been affected by this and have gone through this "phase". I don't know anyone in my year at school who hasn't got a safety pin and torn away at their arm, just because someone else has done it. It got alot of teen magazine coverage and the bottom line is it got far too much attention much too quickly. If someone in my year hadn't been influenced by someone else self-harming and seeing the attention they received because of this (and don't get me wrong, some of these people genuinely had problems and were genuinely self-harming), it wouldn't have started a whole reaction which ultimately results in needless worrying on the friends part, and unnecessary pain, scars and even leading to an addiction of sorts for the other. Is this making any sense ? Suicide, yes is different and i'm not going to get personal on this subject- but the majority of teenagers crave attention. If suicide gains too much coverage in the wrong way, people may (or may not) start attempting suicide for attention, it could- and based on my shamefully low opinion of the human race is going to go wrong. Also, some people who are seriously ill and depressed and just beyond help may not have even considered suicide before- if it's drawn to their attention in the wrong way, they'll do it. I'm terrible at trying to justify my opinions in words, but there you have it for now. If i think of a few better words i'll write them later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I see your point ^ at the same time a lot of things that people try and make awerness of or anything for that matter can have a really bad opposite affect, obviously not everything, just a few other big issues people try and resolve, if that makes sense. Always good and bad. about a year ago something bad happened and changed my life, so i attempted suicide. Luckily didnt work, but it took me a while to get out of it. I have the best friends, but i didnt tell anyone what happened, but i couldnt get what happened out of my head, so i tried to end it, in my opinion, a selfish way. I understand how people dnt see it like that though when there living it, its the easiest option when your in that mind set. im not religious and i couldnt confide in the bible cos i thought at the time if "god" cared then why would he have let that happen to me in the first place, so why would he help me now? not to bash any religions...just how i felt at the time. So i see why people may not take religion, again just my opinion. I still havent goten over what happened but i realised i had to snap out of it so i surrounded myself with my friends and family as much as i could. I dunno how it can be raised to preent it more...not very good at thinking lol, but i guess, friends help a lot and religion if you believe in it, but i think you have to let people know its selfish, and stupid, and that there existence really does have a good purpose. Its harsh but direct, and in my experience effective. makes you think. sorry such a long post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap_perfume Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i don't think people would kills themselves for attention. some people? yeah they might. most people? no. it's just too stupid. if they do it for attention, then they're losing a great life that they could've had. yeah they'll get attention, but they'll get it while they're rotting in the grave. and that's not how anyone should go out. negative things aren't intended for this awareness. more kids should be aware. okay so it may get a lot of coverage. GOOD. more people need to be freaking aware. a friend could be thinking about it, but you wouldn't know because you didn't know the signs that they could've possibly been showing. you wouldn't know what to say if someone was feeling this way. if this awareness were to happen in our school, it would teach kids how to talk to a person who's thinking about suicide. i mean people usually are like,"pft they won't do it." but saying things like that right there, make them want to do it even more, and people don't realize that. saying negative things to them make the victim hurt even more, and feel more alone. and that's not what is needed. people need to start respecting others. you don't like a person? that's fine. but that doesn't mean you should be an asshole because you never know what's going on in their life. you can say one little thing, and it would affect them. kids should be more aware. everyone should be more aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrrr x matey Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I see your point ^ at the same time a lot of things that people try and make awerness of or anything for that matter can have a really bad opposite affect, obviously not everything, just a few other big issues people try and resolve, if that makes sense. Always good and bad. about a year ago something bad happened and changed my life, so i attempted . Luckily didnt work, but it took me a while to get out of it. I have the best friends, but i didnt tell anyone what happened, but i couldnt get what happened out of my head, so i tried to end it, in my opinion, a selfish way. I understand how people dnt see it like that though when there living it, its the easiest option when your in that mind set. im not religious and i couldnt confide in the bible cos i thought at the time if "god" cared then why would he have let that happen to me in the first place, so why would he help me now? not to bash any religions...just how i felt at the time. So i see why people may not take religion, again just my opinion. I still havent goten over what happened but i realised i had to snap out of it so i surrounded myself with my friends and family as much as i could. I dunno how it can be raised to preent it more...not very good at thinking lol, but i guess, friends help a lot and religion if you believe in it, but i think you have to let people know its selfish, and stupid, and that there existence really does have a good purpose. Its harsh but direct, and in my experience effective. makes you think. sorry such a long post! ok, so thats like, exactily my story. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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