CBTSlMob1us Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 So I was reading somewhere that Hayley writes songs about important stuff in her life and I've seen Christian themes in a lot of her songs and I was wondering if anyone has confirmation on this or if I'm just crazy. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahninja Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 she doesnt like to call her belief 'christianity' its just.. faith really. like i believe in god, but i dont call it christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myheartis_yours Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 she kind of explains it in this article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 she looks fucking amazing there ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yeah, she is Christian (they all are), but it doesn't necessarily have a huge impact on their music. Sure, there might be a few themes in there you could link to Chritainity, but otherwise it's not a major influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilleboy Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 true they all are christian maybe not deep but they said on a interview that they dont drink or smoke anything because of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBTSlMob1us Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 she doesnt like to call her belief 'christianity'its just.. faith really. like i believe in god, but i dont call it christianity. I think I found that article you're referring to and I think she doesn't like to refer to her faith as "Religion"... it's kind of a movement in contemporary Christianity... it's spawned organizations such as http://www.notreligion.com I don't know if that's what you were trying to describe or not... =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela_sing Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 i think they all just have faith. they believe in better things and idk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrrr x matey Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 fyi her religion is southern baptist....same for the rest of paramore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfio Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 i thought she was Lutheran? tbh i'm not that clued up on all these american denominations, seems very odd to me, like they cant all be right? lol she talks a bit about her religious influences in this video its kinda annoying thats the one thing that puts me off paramore is the whole religion thing. hopefully being on tour and seeing people all over the world will open their eyes a bit. though no doubt they were indoctrinated at a very young age so its probably permanently embedded in their psyche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Arya Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 ^ So what if it is embedded in them? There is definitely nothing wrong with that. I admire that they have faith in God throughout their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 i thought she was Lutheran? tbh i'm not that clued up on all these american denominations, seems very odd to me, like they cant all be right? lol she talks a bit about her religious influences in this video its kinda annoying thats the one thing that puts me off paramore is the whole religion thing. hopefully being on tour and seeing people all over the world will open their eyes a bit. though no doubt they were indoctrinated at a very young age so its probably permanently embedded in their psyche Huh? They don't preach, so what exactly upsets you about it? I don't mind them stating what they believe in, because I've never once seen them use it as a means of influencing others. They're not ashamed of it and they shouldn't have to hide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parawhore815 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 true they all are christian maybe not deep but they said on a interview that they dont drink or smoke anything because of that See, there you are wrong. I doubt Hayley or Zac drink or smoke. But I specifically remember Josh saying in an interview a long time ago that when he is old enough, if he wants to have a few drinks with friends then there should be nothing wrong with that. And Jeremy, I doubt that he doesn't drink at all. Back at the april show I went to, he ended up sitting with my dad up on the balcony/bar area during the other bands sets and bought him a drink. And I THINK he said he had a drink too. But even if they do, does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfio Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 ^ So what if it is embedded in them? There is definitely nothing wrong with that. I admire that they have faith in God throughout their lives. Huh? They don't preach, so what exactly upsets you about it? I don't mind them stating what they believe in, because I've never once seen them use it as a means of influencing others. They're not ashamed of it and they shouldn't have to hide it. well it bothers me that they think that when i die i am going to burn in hell for all of eternity. it also makes me not like them due to their morals, if they are Christian then they must think that abortion is wrong, that gay people should be locked up etc etc. if they believe in everything the bible says then they should have intolerence to just about everybody who doesn't have exactly their beliefs. on the flip side if they don't think those things then they don't have conviction in their faith and so what is the point in labelling yourself with it in the first place? i also think that the whole idea of faith is very detrimental. lets define faith. faith is the act of believe in something without having any proof, in fact having evidence against it, yet still believing it because someone higher up in the social order told you it was true. to me that is anything but a virtue. hope that clarifies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 well it bothers me that they think that when i die i am going to burn in hell for all of eternity. it also makes me not like them due to their morals, if they are Christian then they must think that abortion is wrong, that gay people should be locked up etc etc. if they believe in everything the bible says then they should have intolerence to just about everybody who doesn't have exactly their beliefs. on the flip side if they don't think those things then they don't have conviction in their faith and so what is the point in labelling yourself with it in the first place? i also think that the whole idea of faith is very detrimental. lets define faith. faith is the act of believe in something without having any proof, in fact having evidence against it, yet still believing it because someone higher up in the social order told you it was true. to me that is anything but a virtue. hope that clarifies I think, if you read that article posted above (which I think is a really lovely article), you'll see it a little differently. Hayley says: "We're out here playing our music and we believe He's blessed us with his talents, but we don't go up onstage and shove it down people's throats. That's the first mistake and that's the reason Christians are looked at the way they are today. So many people think that Christians think that they're better than everybody else." It may be in their faith to believe that stuff, but that doesn't mean that they do. I classify myself as christian, but I am a full supporter of gay rights, one of my best friends is gay, I was in the GSA in high school. I have very liberal views. It's not right to assume anything simply based on what one believes, and I think that is exactly what Hayley is adressing. on the flip side if they don't think those things then they don't have conviction in their faith and so what is the point in labelling yourself with it in the first place? Now, I don't believe that at all. The bible was written so long ago, and the times have changed. So have people and their views. One can believe whatever they want and be whatever they want, and be fully comitted to their faith. I doubt anyone follows the bible 100% anymore (they're sick if they do), so are you saying that the majority of the world are liars? Faith and virtue are two different things, but they go hand in hand. Your faith can give you good virtues, which is why most have faith in the first place. And what do you mean by "higher up in the social order"? Are you referring to God, or saying that, for instance, poor people only believe in God because it's something to give them hope? But in Paramore's case, as I've said, they can believe what they want and not be ashamed of it. Their morals have helped shape them into the people they are today: good, caring, talented people. Why hide who they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monika Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Why does any of this matter? Why should any of their beliefs turn you off their music? They're two separate things... And it should be about the music not their personal choices in life. Their faith has led them to be the people they are today and has influenced the decisions they've made throughout their lives including forming a band and making music for us. So really, their faith isn't a bad thing at all. I personally don't think they carry the same morals as some other Christians. They've expressed in numerous ways that they have nothing against homosexuals. I'd like to think that you may have good judgment of peoples character. If the band members were as intolerant as you suggest, we'd certainly see it. They would not be the loving and caring people that they are nor do half the things that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Why does any of this matter? Why should any of their beliefs turn you off their music? They're two separate things... And it should be about the music not their personal choices in life. Their faith has led them to be the people they are today and has influenced the decisions they've made throughout their lives including forming a band and making music for us. So really, their faith isn't a bad thing at all. I personally don't think they carry the same morals as some other Christians. They've expressed in numerous ways that they have nothing against homosexuals. I'd like to think that you may have good judgment of peoples character. If the band members were as intolerant as you suggest, we'd certainly see it. They would not be the loving and caring people that they are nor do half the things that they do. I agree. :] If the band members were as intolerant as you suggest, we'd certainly see it. EXACTLY that is my main qualm with the argument...almost suggesting that Paramore are these biggots of some sort for their religion. Which...just, no. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfio Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 if you call yourself a Christian then you must think that you are going to hell then as you don't follow the Christian teachings? same with paramore and about the social order thing. i mean mostly their parents and other people who have some sort of authority over them. im saying that you shouldn't believe in something just because your parents/teacher/vicar told you that it was true. you should think about it, deliberate it, and come up with your own conclusion based on all of the evidence presented. and you should reassess your conclusion whenever new evidence presents itself. EDIT that was in reply to Ive seen love die_ for the record i really DO NOT think that paramore are intolerant at all. i think they are like most christians and are very nice people but they believe in something because they have been told to and not because they actually have full belief in it. if they had full belief in it then they would HAVE to be biggots and that is my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 What exactly do you even know about the religion? Obviously nothing, because everything you're saying is one big judgement or another. You know, I once didn't have faith, simply because it was forced upon me by my parents. I found my faith ON MY OWN. I am proud of that. And I can stand here and say proudly I believe in God, and follow my religion to the best of my ability, and part of my religion is God forgiving my mistakes and accepting me for who I am. Which means I won't be burning in Hell. I don't think I should have to sit here and justify my or Paramore's religion to you. If you look down on them or me because of our religion, you're not such an accepting person yourself, as you so claim the Christian religion is full of biggots and ignorant people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfio Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Ive seen love die_ do you believe in the bible? i am not talking about belief in a personal god i am talking about Christianity. if you are a christian then you have to believe in the bible and follow it completely, you have to believe that everyone else in the world who doesnt believe the bible is going to burn in hell for all of eternity and that i have a problem with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I feel like this debate is a circle. I understand your point, but you also DO NOT understand the christian religion OF TODAY. Years change and evolve people, religion, and the world. The christian religion has been influence by this evolution, and I made my communion and confirmation and went to bible class to do so. We were always taught the positive of the bible, help others, love others, etc. Certainly in todays age they aren't going to start a second crusade against all those with a different religion. Sure, there are still those crazies out there with those notions. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY of the religion today want to follow the good teachings of the bible and the religion. Go to one christian mass and you will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilfio Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 i know in general christianity is very tame but i think it harbors malpractice and provides a cover for the extremists. you cant just pick and choose which parts of the bible to listen to, you mind tells you it is a good idea but if you are strict with your beliefs then you must believe that you are going to hell. i know most people arent strict with their beliefs and it is just like a hobby or a tradition to them but it begs the question why do it at all? what good does it do anyone? i can see you coming along and saying it teaches morals and whatnot but do you really need to believe in an invisible guy in the sky to get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monika Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I don't think this is gonna go any where with arguing. Maybe we should all just agree to disagree. I don't think the band members or other people who are Christian would appreciate this. We should be respectful of everyones beliefs and opinions. And Wilfo, don't get me wrong.. I understand where you're heading with your argument. And it is true that family are a big influence on peoples social norms/culture and religion - There's no arguing that. At the end of the day: It's about paramore's music, not religion. Let's just focus on that and not hurt peoples feelings on the boards by discussing this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ive seen love die_ Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I have many counter statements and such, but I don't think it's really getting me anywhere. I understand your point, but I don't believe it. I hope you understand mine as well. Debates don't always mean you have to sway the other opinions...I hope you can simply take something from this and see the whole situation a little clearer. You're free to have your own beliefs of course, I was just defending mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrowncoat Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 i know in general christianity is very tame but i think it harbors malpractice and provides a cover for the extremists. you cant just pick and choose which parts of the bible to listen to, you mind tells you it is a good idea but if you are strict with your beliefs then you must believe that you are going to hell. i know most people arent strict with their beliefs and it is just like a hobby or a tradition to them but it begs the question why do it at all? what good does it do anyone? i can see you coming along and saying it teaches morals and whatnot but do you really need to believe in an invisible guy in the sky to get that? There are many, many different shades of Christianity and not all of them believe that every word in the Bible is 100% accurate and should be taken literally. Being "strict" with your beliefs does NOT mean you have to interpret the Bible literally. And not believing everything in the Bible is the true word of God doesn't make you not a Christian. The foundation of being a Christian is believing that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and that he died for your sins. That's pretty much it. From there, Christianity can take many forms and shades. Are some of them extreme? In my opinion, yeah, some of them are. But the vast majority are not. So, please don't brand all Christians as extremists, because it's simply not the case. It's not true of any faith or religion. As for the band, I think their beliefs are something that they've carefully considered and chosen. I'm sure their parents and families were influences, but I think you're way underestimating the strength and convictions of the band themselves to think that that simply believe in God because they were told to...look at who they are as people and how to down to earth and friendly and true to themselves they remain, even with all the fame they've received. If they weren't strong people who could make their own choices and stand on their own feet, I think they would have succumbed to the many, many temptations of the music industry and fame a long time ago. I hope that doesn't come across wrong because I really don't mean for it to - and I certainly don't mean to insult anyone's beliefs either. If you don't believe in God, I respect your beliefs. I don't agree with them, but I respect your right to have them...one of my best friends is an atheist. Anyway, just my 2 cents...I'll leave this thread open as long as everyone in the discussion is respectful of each others' beliefs and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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