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I will make an argument based on my own system, if the arguments you guys are making/I'm countering are based on stuff that is universal to all systems. It doesn't matter if the system is called medicare or iCare or iDont or if it is funded by taxes or robbing the rich or by illegal arms trades from the black budget. I have read up on the bill before posting in this thread, and I was actually surprised by this(and not in the pleasant way), but the arguments against the bill are about things that are found all over the world. I've already said that the system can be abused, and so have a few others. It's common knowledge, because we are experiencing it every day. (Yes, I will make an argument based on my country's own system.) Do you really think that's a valid reason to forget the whole system? How many poor americans are currently not covered by medicaid despite their poverty? More than half if I remember correctly. Think about everyone it will benefit. So, what exactly are you saying? That your healthcare system is eating too much money as it is? This only means that your overall spending is flying towards a bull's ass (like we would say here), healthcare is not the right place to cut spending! Greece is looking at the possibility of a bankruptcy as early as next year, but I don't see them slicing money out of healthcare. So I could've just jumped over your posts basically? If you were not going to make an opinion, then why did you throw in the remark about people too lazy to find jobs? Surely that wasn't a fact that needed re-stating when many of us have already said why that isn't a valid argument at all? If it needs to be done, then sure it's right. This just requires you to think about other people besides yourself or your family. I can't believe this is so difficult as a concept. Holy shit, 63 guests in Off topic... hello world!

The system can be abused, no doubt. What I find funny, however, is and in combination with Welcome to the world outside the US where this system (in slightly altered forms) has been a part of life for a long time now (just like Kayla said). Who would pay for the healthcare of those who can't afford it if not those who can? No one, absolutely no one. Money doesn't come out of nowhere. I can't believe that the USA has been on a socioeconomical stone age for this long, but this is a step in the right direction, and major props to Obama or whoever it is that made this happen. I repeat: the system can be abused. I know that part of my tax money is going to students who will drink it away every Friday night, but it is also going to thousands of other students who would be without food and shelter if it wasn't for the goverment (and tax payers, in the end) funding their studying. I honestly think that this sounds like a step backwards for you guys just because it is a major change in fundamentals. The american crowd is chanting "CHANGE" in horror of recent events while Obama is banging his head on a desk in the White House. You're going to have to get used to taking care of the not-so-lucky, you're now finally becoming a "welfare state".

Yes, that goes for you as well.

Personally, I think there are much worse things to use money on in the american budget than healthcare(forget the nuclear warheads, just smoke pot and play nintendo folks!). The only people with the luxury of choice(insurance vs. no insurance) are those who could afford an insurance in the past, but now the goverment is making an effort to bring healthcare available to EVERYONE, regardless of their wealth, and to me, that actually sounds pretty humane. And I'm sure as hell that the only people complaining are those who CAN afford an insurance. The goverment is basically saying: "dammit, you WILL get this insurance or WE will get it for you!", and who the hell is still stubborn enough to stomp the ground and blow the horn about one's rights as if USA is the only free land left in the world? I'm paying for infrastructure, healthcare and public transport among other things with my taxes every month, as is everyone else in Finland, and I have NEVER heard ANYONE complaining about the goverment forcing us to pay for public transport even when I never use it. It's part of my duty as a member of the society, that's how it works and I've accepted that. Why, oh why would anyone NOT want healthcare? Is the problem coming from the fact that it has to purchased separately? "YES, I don't need to get it if I don't want to!" It looks like it... How about if the military would be transformed into the DDSFYAPAY (Domestic Defense System For You And People Around You) and people would be forced to buy it separately (No, war is bad, I don't want to!) as opposed to the current system where it is funded by taxes? Isn't it still the same thing? I think you're reading too much into principles and fines etc. Just get the healthcare insurance if you can, or get the goverment pay you for it like any reasonable person would.

So am I. Good night sweet prince and... friends. I do what I do.

I confess Jason Bourne just drove off a bridge with a car on TV.

Yes, that was my weak moment. I've regained control of my life now, so don't even try.

Read the thread back and see what I've been subjected to. Don't even try to turn this on me!

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. *all exploitations should start with a bottle of absinthe*

I won't be taken advantage of in my vulnerable 3:05 AM state of mind.

Don't even ask. Plz.

I'll email him about it.

I have the fingers of a little baby, I think I would start having reach-issues with a 7-stringer. Or if not with that, then at least with an 8-stringer., Maybe not, though, I've never tried.

Okay, the moment's passed now. Shyeaaahhh, he's the third artist to give me a semi.

Sounds like my kind of man. I will see sweet dreams tonight. Okay, let's stop right there for a moment.

Why? Is he rough on his bitches? I can't imagine that with the voice I'm hearing. Or should I be afraid of him starting to whisper "bitch" into my ear? I think the album's name is The Drought Is Over. It has a dude with rude sunglasses on the cover.

I hear a blatantly auto-tuned angel, but I suppose that helps the effect a bit. I'm like halfway through the album now, so I guess I'm his bitch now.

^Sounds like something this Drake dude would say. Amazing how tenderly he can sing the word "bitch".

I started learning one of Erik Satie's Gnossiennes on the piano as well as one of Chopin's arpeggio studies. Of course I'll end up playing some guitar every day as well, so I'm perfecting the string-skipping section from Dream Theater's Erotomania. Drains all excess energy from the fingers effectively.

Bitch Is Crazy - Drake I wonder why I haven't thought of this before.

I feel like confessing something horrible from my mysterious past, but I can't think of anything.

I would sure like to post something here, but I have never written lyrics or poems, and so I've just settled for reading stuff you guys post here. But, I have to say that I really like your work Christopher. Like, pretty much everything I remember you posting in this thread. Keep at it, and one day I will rip you off for my own music.

So so SO underwhelming to hear acoustic songs from these guys, doesn't click at all with me. It's supposed to better than nothing, but meh. I hope the guy mastering the album will leak it super early. *The new Deftones leaked today. Go and listen!*

Cool, now do Acid Rain since you're the one with the 7-stringer. Or screw that, you playing anything at all would be a change. >

Umfh, I just had to do something, and so I did Hourglass by the progressive metal supergroup Liquid Tension Experiment. http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=30kq9o0&s=5 A real bitch to learn, it was.